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Originally posted by NimaGraven
You're going to have pollution everywhere though.. Everything generates radiation, even a freaking table. Sure, it's small, but you still get pollution...
And capitalism does grow.. Even if it recesses it climbs again.
That's the thing, capitalism MUST continue to grow. Eventually that will be impossible.
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As for consuming natural resources at an alarming rate. As stated before, science grows at alarming rate, too and we are finding new ways to provide for natural resources.
Hydroelectric power.. Wind power..
Those type of things have a hard time dying.. Besides, I'd be more concerned of global warming ;).
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That's a good idea, throw up your hands and proclaim progress will resolve it all. As in natural resources not just fossil fuels but also the rate we are destroying forests and pollution destrying ecosystems. This is all in the name of "progress" and the pursuit of profits.
Last time I checked hydroelectric and wind power weren't very new, and couldn't create a lot of power either. That's why we need fossil fuels.
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Whether you live in a capitalist society or a marxist one, you're going to conform anyway. However, in a marxist society, you have less freedom of choice on the job you want to do because you're utilising farming etc, stuff you need to survive. I don't want to be a farmer, I want to be a programmer. At least in capitalism, I have that choice.. In capitalism, I'm providing for my "community" in my way by giving them the choice of a luxury good. You also said that we could do that in our free time.. And you said we have to conform to working 9 to 5 in a capitalist society... If we all ended up in a marxist society, we'd probably work longer hours than 9 to 5.. Probably more like 6am to 7pm.. Especially if you're in agriculture. I don't want to labour this way, so why should I? And you talk about the final way the Marx system is implemented.. At it's final way.. You really believe people could drop work as a farmer and do programming? I think a lot of people would find farming boring. Wouldn't that cause civil unrest, don't you think?
If you look at my other post remember the point that not much labor needs to be done in order for our survival? That's the thing, we all put in our little bit of labor to maintain survival, and then the other time goes to working on other stuff. In capitalism you have a choice because you're rich. If you were born dirt poor in africa then you wouldn't have a chance to move up. I can't see how magically every person needs to work incredibly long hours in order to maintain themselves....Like I said above, a very small percentage of labor acutally goes to survival.
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You named yourself communists. Whether it's centred around Marxism isn't the issue.. It has distinct differences. And in the past I don't think many people have considered communism as fun.
Yeah, the common opinion is a spectacular way to measure something's worth.....
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Read above. In any kind of civil unrest you will either get anarchy or the government controlling you.. I.e. fascism.. That's constraining your civil liberties. And believe me, because of the way humans are, you would get civil unrest. You get it now, you'd get it even worse in a Marxist society.
Hate to break it to ya (actually I don't) but you are controlled by the government in a capitalist society as well....
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We bring up starvation again, eh? As mentioned in another post, Marxism isn't the only answer to cure starvation of people. Like I said, if everyone became vegetarians, you could stop starvation that way as the corn, etc you use to feed animals could be used to feed the many starving in Africa and Asia and heck even in our own societies.
That's actually rather illogical as farm animals are used for food. So we feed them but in turn we get food. And even if there was enough food (which there is now) I doesn't get distributed to those who need it in capitalism.
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I don't believe health care in a Marxist society would be stable. Why? Well, I stated before.. Because of psychological reasons.. If you feel your job has no worth, you start performing worse and worse.. as Maison said, you then get conformity were people around do the same thing, leading in a big circle to more government control and civil unrest.
Some countries have nationally controlled health care. It makes obvious sense that one who is working to cure people for the sake of curing people and that alone will care more than one in the pursuit of profits. The man working for money cares more about making money and less about the patients. Not that he doesn't care at all, but the assignment of monetary value degrades his work.
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And I've said this before, but at least people with unemployment in a capitalist society have a YMCA and things to go to.. I believe you said before in a Marxist society, if the person didn't want to work for the community, then that'd be their fault and they wouldn't get fed... I know you argue that Capitalism isn't entire democratic...(and it isn't) But that isn't either.. But hey, at least you can admit that it isn't perfect.. No system is.. However, I believe some systems are worse than others.. And I believe this one is a worser one than Capitalism, but that is pure political opinion.
Maybe that have YMCA and those types of things in rich countries, but look around the rest of the world and that won't be the case. I actually don't know how not working would be considered in a Marxist society. But everyone would atleast have the opportunity to work. I can't single handedly perfect the means of implementation of the system, but with many bright minds we could. What does democracy have to do with working for the community? I think people have a wierd view of what democracy is....
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Until the human race is perfect, you'll never acquire true perfection.
Yeah, and marxism wouldn't be perfect. But it'd be a big step up...
BTW, what country do you live in anyway?